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Thanks, Bart, for a further characteristic (and as you say forceful) response and fresh statement. You’ve taken a few more words this time (I’m delighted to see) and I will happily do the same. Let me begin by trying to clarify the first two matters which you picked up. I’ll take them in reverse order…

Tom, Thanks so much for your most recent post, which clarifies your view considerably. It is a forceful, and I would even say elegant, statement. Before responding, let me address two minor points that you make in passing, one about my argument and the other about me.

Thanks, Bart, for your response and further statement. I suspect we are both going to find that we start hares running in one another’s minds which there won’t be time to chase. I think the question of the definition and description of apocalyptic had better be one of those; we could talk another time perhaps…

Thanks, Tom, for a thoughtful and interesting response. I think we both must feel how difficult it is to interact in this kind of forum, where what we want is sustained debate but have chosen to limit ourselves to brief responses. But we – you and I – must muddle along as best we can….…
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